Who had the stronger arguments at United Nations, Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin? 5% Barack Obama vs. 95% Vladimir Putin

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Obama and Putin spar on Syria and Ukraine at United NationsObama says ready to work with Iran, Russia to end Syria war

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WASHINGTON — President Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin clashed over the Middle East crisis and Islamic State terrorists Monday during a showdown at the United Nations, with Obama demanding the ouster of Bashar Assad and Putin arguing that the Syrian leader was the war-torn country’s only hope.

Obama, in an address to a gathering of the world’s top leaders and diplomats, knocked Putin’s meddling in Ukraine and Syria and insisted that allowing Assad to remain in power isn’t an option.

“We must recognize that there cannot be, after so much bloodshed, so much carnage, a return to the prewar status quo,” he said, blaming Assad for creating “the environment for the current strife” by brutalizing his people with “chemical weapons and indiscriminate bombing.”

Obama said ISIS’ bloody reign in Syria and Iraq is “an assault on all our humanity,” but argued the only solution was “a managed transition away from Assad and to a new leader.”

Minutes later, Putin slammed Obama’s approach before the same world body.

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“We think it’s an enormous mistake to refuse to cooperate with the Syrian government and its armed forces who are valiantly fighting terrorism face to face,” the Russian leader declared in his first UN address in 10 years.

“No one but President Assad’s armed forces and Kurdish militia are truly fighting the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations in Syria,” he said.

Putin then laid the blame for ISIS’ rise and the chaos in Syria and the Middle East that has killed more than 250,000 people and created a refugee crisis in Europe at Obama’s feet.

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President Obama addresses the United Nations on Monday, going after Russia’s actions in Ukraine and Syria.

“Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life,” he said. “I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?”

He called for a “generally broad international coalition against terrorism.”

Putin has been backing Assad, while the U.S. is looking to find partners in the country to take on ISIS.

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Russia recently moved troops to Syria in support of the strongman, and in recent days signed an intelligence-sharing agreement with Iraq to combat ISIS that also involves Iran and Syria, a compact that they didn’t run by the U.S.

The dueling speeches came ahead of the leaders’ first face-to-face meeting in more than two years. Obama and Putin icily shook hands, flashed tight grins and posed awkwardly for photos at the top of their closed-press meeting Monday evening.

A senior administration official described the 95-minute meeting as “businesslike back and forth.” But the official said the “two sides fundamentally disagreed” on Assad’s role.

“This was not a situation where either one of them was seeking to score points in a meeting,” the official said. “I think there was a shared desire to figure out a way in which we can address the situation in Syria.”

Earlier, at a multinational luncheon where UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon sat between the adversaries, the two looked grim-faced and intense when they clinked glasses of rosé for a toast.

In their speeches, the two leaders also went toe-to-toe over Ukraine, with Obama criticizing “Russia’s annexation of Crimea and further aggression in eastern Ukraine,” and arguing the sanctions that the United States and other countries responded with have “led to capital flight, a contracting economy, a fallen ruble, and the emigration of more educated Russians.”

Putin’s response was to say the “false choice” Europe and the U.S. offered former Soviet bloc countries of being “with the West or with the East” after the collapse of the Soviet Union had triggered a “grave geopolitical crisis.”

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Russian President Vladimir Putin (r.), seen giving an interview in Russia, is expected to meet with Obama.

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He claimed Ukraine’s chaos was caused by a “military coup orchestrated from the outside that triggered a civil war,” rather than his country’s intervention, and defended his seizure of Crimea and involvement in the country’s eastern region.

And Obama implicitly criticized Putin’s crackdown on freedoms within Russia as well.

“We see some major powers assert themselves in ways that contravene international law. We see an erosion of the democratic principles and human rights that are fundamental to this institution’s mission; information is strictly controlled, the space for civil society restricted. We’re told that such retrenchment is required to beat back disorder; that it’s the only way to stamp out terrorism, or prevent foreign meddling,” he said.

But Obama’s lambasting of Putin may have fallen on deaf ears, at least in Russia. While he gave his UN address, Russian television was fixated on Putin’s presidential plane, which had arrived late in New York and was taxiing on the tarmac.

The leaders’ relationship is as tense as ever, as Russia continues to support Syria’s embattled dictator and its continued involvement in Ukraine drives instability there.

Putin made a point to taunt U.S. efforts against ISIS in Syria in a “60 Minutes” interview that aired Sunday night as well.

“The initial aim was to train 5,000 to 6,000 fighters, then 12,000, but it turns out that only 60 were trained and only four or five are actually fighting,” Putin said. “All the others simply ran away with their American weapons to Islamic State!”

Russia has continued to draw the ire of the West for its meddling in Ukraine. The country seized the Crimean peninsula in 2014 and has been backing Russian-allied rebels in eastern Ukraine during the country’s ongoing civil war.

The West has responded with sanctions targeting Russia’s oligarchs, which combined with the plunging value of energy have sent Russia’s economy into a tailspin.

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Who had the stronger arguments, Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin?

5% Barack Obama        95% Vladimir Putin
2424 Votes                     46582 Votes

Putin complained about those sanctions during his speech, calling them “illegitimate” because they’re not authorized by the UN.

Putin wasn’t Obama’s only target. He also criticized China’s military activities in disputed territory in the South China Sea, encouraging the Chinese to resolve “disputes through international law, not the law of force.”

And Obama warned of a creeping “us versus them” racist mentality across the globe, taking a veiled shot at Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump’s anti-immigrant comments.

Obama warned that even in advanced democracies, there was a push from those who “insist on stopping the trade that binds our fates to other nations” and “calling for the building of walls to keep out immigrants.”

“Most ominously, we see the fears of ordinary people being exploited through appeals to sectarianism, or tribalism, or racism, or anti-Semitism; appeals to a glorious past before the body politic was infected by those who look different, or worship God differently, a politics of us versus them,” he warned.

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Nach meinem Voting hatte Obama bereits 5 %, aber Putin 46582 Stimmen und 95%

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